Ohio Bigfoot Encounters

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Welcome to our third episode.

First Half: Joining Michael Paul & Mr. Curbs, Phil has had multiple close encounters with bigfoot in the Northeastern Ohio woods. As a teenager airsofting he came across a reddish furred sasquatch and even got up close to the footprints in the mud. Phil also went on to investigate more himself, his findings are chilling.

Second Half: Phil goes on investigating his woods more by wood knocking and trying to attract a response from a sasquatch. He also shares his scary encounter with a possible UFO, crashed down from the sky blazing in fire. Then we go on to discuss the famous Patterson-Gimlin film and popular bigfoot theories. Stay tuned to hear these stories in tonight’s episode. And ask yourself, What is this some kind of Sinister District?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:23

Live from the Sinister District and the Great Beyond. Good evening, everyone, everything, and all creatures of the night. I am Michael Ball, alongside Mr. Kirby. Tonight we take a trip to the Northeast Ohio Woods with the guest who's seen a stash work. Stay right where you are. You're listening to the Sinister District. Well, hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another week here at the Sinister District. Uh joining us tonight is a first-hand witness. We'll call him Phil, who has experienced repeated encounters with what he firmly believes was a Sasquatch. So I'm fascinated by Bigfoot. I've always wondered if is there a hairy, monkey-like creature in the woods that possibly exists? Probably. It seems uh very plausible. But uh we are here today with Phil, and uh his story has been shared across many different places. Um notable was this YouTube page that shares Bigfoot encounters, it's called Bigfoot Case Files, and uh his witness was uh the Ohio Bigfoot Files. Uh so welcome Phil, hello. Hey, hello, thanks for having me. Glad to be here. We're glad to have you. Um I mean, where do we even begin? This is uh a story when you were uh younger, so like 13, right? Yes. And um you're from Ohio. Uh correct. And it's a very wooded area, you said.

SPEAKER_01: 2:18

So yeah, so from I'm from Little Town, northeast Ohio. And uh up there, there's I mean, the woods kind of go into the town, right? So some of the buildings are built into the town, things like that. Or not the build- the buildings are built into the woods, right? So this this story kind of takes place in a little 33-acre patch. All it all connects, all the woods connect. Um, so there are Bigfoot sightings up in our area. Uh, they've been going on, I think one of the news articles was like from the 70s, right? But I had no idea any of that. So this takes place. I was about 13 when this starts. Um going back in the woods, you know, it's it's we lived with my grandparents for a little bit. My father was deployed, and uh my grandfather had found all this old World War II equipment that uh he had gotten from a surplus store from my uncle's in the 60s. So, you know, I'm I'm interested in this kind of stuff. Um, I had been reading books on different things with it, you know, and and uh so it kind of starts where I climb up on this ladder, you know, because they had this eight-foot-tall privacy fence. I climb up on this ladder, and I got binoculars, I got the World War II stuff, it's middle of winter, you know, I'm like pretending it's the battle of the balls, right? Right, and uh and what happens is as I'm looking through the binoculars, probably about 70 between 70 and 100 yards out, I see this reddish, orangish thing moving in the tree line. It's just it's standing there, but you know what I mean by moving, like it's kind of like you know when someone's standing there and they're kind of shifting, right? And so I so I see this, and I look at it, you know, I'm looking at it for a minute or so. I'm like, this it looks like a guy in a ghillie suit, right? I'm like, that's that's weird, that's bizarre. So here I am. I'm like, okay, so I put the binoculars down to you know, get the wider picture. I bring the binoculars back up and it's gone. I'm like, okay, that's that's yeah. I'm like, that's that's a little strange. At this point in time, Bigfoot to me was the Patterson Gimli film, right? I had never really heard of Bigfoot being anywhere around here, you know. So I'm like, that's that's kind of an interesting one. So a few months later, uh, I reconnect with this friend, his name, I'll call him Tom. Um so I I reconnect with Tom, and we're we're going for a walk in the woods. He's he does airsoft. Airsoft was starting to kind of become a thing. This is this is like 20-some years ago, right? So I so Tom and I, this is the kind of the second one segue into it. We're walking in these woods. Now the woods had three sections. The first section was um kind of a marshier area, right? So it's like uh there's there was a pond. There's you could tell like there's some dry, like dry wetland kind of stuff, right? The second area in the middle was was dense woods. Okay, there's a trail system that kind of goes through it, and the trail is probably like 10 foot wide, right? So a decent, decent sized trail for what it is, but you know, it's it's it's not like a massive trail. Um, but the third part opens up, um, the and this is where between so this third part, it's relatively open. Yeah, there's trees, but it there isn't really a trail, it's just kind of like a little like path that deer would take, you know, going through the middle, kind of some like maybe knee-high grass in some parts, right? So uh, so we're walking through the woods, we're talking, we get to this third part, we get to the end of the third part, you know, back because there's a little connecting part that leads to the wider woods, right? The wider everything. And uh, we're back there, and we turn around, and we see this orange is reddish thing.

SPEAKER_04: 6:40

It's back back, like it's back.

SPEAKER_01: 6:42

It's it's over in the you know, the second part between the second and third part. We get down, like we lay down kind of behind this log. And I had my I had a small set of binoculars on me this time, right? So I I pull it out, but I don't really see it. It's you know, it's gone again, and we're like, okay, we can't go the other way because that's just gonna take us deeper into the woods. There's no other way to go but back through there, right? So we have to walk back through that section. And you know, and we're both we're both sitting there like we've seen this. There is something there. It's like you know, like a reddish, like a deep, deep orange. You know what I'm talking about? Like a deep reddish orange. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 7:25

What what what time of the year is this? Did you say? I can't recall.

SPEAKER_01: 7:28

Uh, this is this is probably May, I think.

SPEAKER_04: 7:31

Okay. So the first one's probably like yeah, we're past that.

SPEAKER_01: 7:36

Yeah, it's like early May. Yeah, past fall, um, past winter, because the first one that I saw at the ladder was like that winter, right? It was snowing out, and you know, you could see it. So this, so we walk past it. You know, it nothing's there, but it's just like this. I mean, the feeling was just like, oh boy, what have we gotten ourselves into, right? So we we continue going, and it just it was like, This is this is just weird. So we get the last, you know, we we everything's all done with that, and that summer. So my father he did reconnaissance, that's what he did in the army. And uh my father's son bonding was doing stuff with him in the woods, you know, and even like paintball, him and I would paintball together, you know. So my big thing was Tom and I wanted, and he because he's deployed, but when he'd come back on leave, we were going to go up against him and you know, and just and just have fun, right? So Tom and I that summer, we like we ran practice patrols all the time. You know, this is how you do it, right? This is this is how this would work, this is how that works, all this stuff. And for the most part, like you'd get a feeling every now and then, like, okay, something's not right, you know. Sometimes you might think you see something, and like when you get that feeling or you see something, like there's there's counter-tracking techniques, right? There's there's ways of of going about shaking tails, you know, so it's it's not a problem, you know. But nothing would ever shake off, you know. You there'd be nothing there, and we'd sit there and be like, okay, but there's nothing. The next big thing that happens, and this is one of the ones I put in there, is we were doing a practice patrol. Um, it was supposed to rain, right? Supposed to rain and storm that day. It had been raining, not much, like a little sprinkle. So we're doing the practice patrol, we're we're walking through, and we're in the second part, and there's this bend in the trail, right? So on one side, there's a uh like a dry stream bed that's kind of like this little ravine, and then the other side's just a thick woods. So we're we're going through, we're walking, and it starts storming. So as it's as it's storming, I I call my mother on the on the phone. I had like a little flip phone at the time, right? And uh, you know, I'm telling her, I'm I'm probably what 14, 15 at this point. Right, no, 14. Um, so I call my mother and I'm like, hey, you know, let's get the ladders out. Because in order to get over the privacy fence, you needed ladders, right? So I'm like, go, let's go get the ladders, we're coming back. And so as I'm talking to my mom on the phone, trying to hear her, you know, I kind of got my head bent down to keep the receiver out of the rain because it's I mean, it's getting hard. You know, the rain's coming. And uh, you know, it was hard to hear her because of that. So I kind of got my head bent down to the side. Um, Tom is leading us out, and we're we're hitting this bend in the trail. He starts going around the bend first, and all of a sudden he freezes, arm goes up 90 degrees, you know, 90 degree angle, uh, hand in the fist, it's signal to stop. So we stop, you know, I'm wrapping up the conversation with my mother, and he's signaling that he sees something up ahead. Oh no. I'm like, what yeah. So, you know, I wrap it up, I I go to him, you know, he's probably like what, 10 feet, 15 feet in front of me at this point, because we're at this point we're done, right? We're just we're just trying to go home. And I'm like, what's going on? You know, what's up, man? And he goes, I saw something. Oh no. Like you did, you saw something, yeah. He said saw something cross the trail from right to left. So from where the stream bed is to the thick part. He said, cross the trail. He said it was big. This thing is big. I'm like, well, what what is it?

SPEAKER_03: 12:04

Was it orange?

SPEAKER_01: 12:04

You know, like is it well he didn't he didn't say, right? He just said that it is big. You know, like that's all he's saying. He's like kind of freaking out, right?

SPEAKER_05: 12:12

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01: 12:13

I'm like, Do you think it's a bear? He's like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what this was. So we walk, we're we're walking down there, and we had just come through this area. Remember that. We had just come through this. There was a patch of mud in the middle of this trail, right? Trail's about 10 foot wide. We come to this patch of mud, and I kid you not, in the middle of this patch of wood, or sorry, patch of mud, is about a 14-inch humanoid track. Toes, you could see the toes, you could see everything. So we stop and we're looking at this thing. It's it's in the middle of the trail, and and we're just we're like, our eyes are wide. We're like, dude, this is a human footprint. This thing, this it's barefoot.

SPEAKER_04: 13:01

This thing's like, you know, or if we're this is 14 inches long, but this thing was abnormally large, this footprint, right?

SPEAKER_01: 13:08

Yeah, yeah. It was barefoot, A, it was barefoot, and B, it was just abnormally large, right? Like 14 inches. Like, how many people you know have 14 inch feet, right?

SPEAKER_04: 13:19

That is weird.

SPEAKER_01: 13:20

And and there's only one. There's only one, there's no other prints. So whatever it is, like was it was crossing fast, right? So made this step in the middle of the trail. So we're we're bending there, we're probably looking at this thing for like 30 seconds, right? We hear the loudest, thunderous, thunder uh, you know, thundering crashing through the brush from where he saw it go, right? And you can feel the thuds of the feet hitting the ground, boom, boom, boom, you know, like that. And just branches, or you can see branches going everywhere. You can hear this just breaking brush like crazy. And and both of us, you know, it's it's running away from us. We look at each other and it's run. Just run. I mean, it was it was nuts. So we ran. We we get all the way out of the woods, we get over the ladders, we didn't really tell anyone anything, right? It's like this happened, like this, this happened, you know. And even after that, we'd still go back and do things, you know. It's it's we're we we were teenagers, you know, it's it's it was like, okay, so this deepens a mystery. Like this deepens the mystery. There's something back here, you know. What is it? Um, so that's kind of that part. And then uh so fast forward a little bit, you know. I kind of you know how it is that age, you kind of fall in and out with people, you kind of stop hanging out with people, things like that, right? Right. So uh uh next next friend, we'll call him Richard, right? This one's crazy because how we got on to the subject, it was another airsoft match at his place. He lived up on Lake Erie, and there was a field, and we had an encounter in that field, not necessarily with Bigfoot, but we had what we believe truly was a UFO encounter in that field.

SPEAKER_04: 15:23

Oh and so that kind yeah, what's going on in uh North Ohio here?

SPEAKER_01: 15:30

I mean, it's lots it's a lot. I mean, the you I mean there's reasons, there's jokes about Ohio, right? Yeah, so actually, funny thing about it, I I've uh talked to him recently. Yeah, he says that kind of stuff that happened is still going on. So even like almost 20, I mean, at this point, this was 2007 at this point, right? Uh so we started like 2005, 2006, now we're in 2007. So almost 20 years later, this stuff is still going on up in his field. You know? Yeah. And that's that's one, if you ever want to hear that a different time.

SPEAKER_04: 16:15

Let's hold up a sec, because you think the the first uh your the your other friend you had and you encountered this uh the big Bigfoot event here. Uh did you think it was Bigfoot? What what do you think it was?

SPEAKER_01: 16:31

By this point, I I thought it. I uh by this point I I actually thought it was. Because it's like, okay, 14-inch humanoid footprint on the ground. I mean, what else what else could it be, right? You know, it's like now because now I'm starting to learn more about this stuff, you know, starting to hear more about it, things like that, and the few months, right, since I had my first encounter, because that first encounter got me interested in this. And so it's like by this point, this is probably like July or August. Right? So the first one's like December. Second one, where he and I saw the thing and we hid behind the log, is May. This is probably about August. And so, you know, by this point, it's like, okay, this is this is probably what this is, you know. But what's it, you know, why why here? You know, why is it here? Um, yeah, and you know, you tell you, you tell people this, and it's like, oh yeah, Bigfoot lives in this little patch of woods, right?

SPEAKER_04: 17:38

And they probably think.

SPEAKER_01: 17:39

Well, my my exactly, exactly. So my thinking and theory with this, the more that I think about it over the years, this little patch of woods, because the people that lived around it would would put out food for the deer, put out food for turkey. So you'd have flocks of like 70 turkey, you know, herds of like 20 deer. I think it was a feeding ground. You know, like Bigfoot goes to the supermarket, right? Because because you'd find like there were no predators that lived in that little section of wood. There was there was never any sighting of predators, coyotes wouldn't go there.

SPEAKER_02: 18:21

So like like no bears, no bears, nothing, right?

SPEAKER_01: 18:26

So you'd have these massive herds, and then all of a sudden the herds would just go away. You know, it's and you'd find deer carcass. You you'd find deer carcass, I mean, thoroughly picked through, but you know, like right.

SPEAKER_04: 18:42

You you said specifically in your uh talk there that no bears whatsoever. Um this foot looked humanoid, but it's very strangely large. Uh this figure huge orange through the woods. I mean, what can it be?

SPEAKER_02: 18:59

No, I I feel like reddish reddish orange is sort of rare. Uh especially, I mean, I think it's common and like, you know, I think some like monkeys and stuff have that color, but like for something like like a like a bear or something to have that color, I think it's kind of rare. Anything that would be that big.

SPEAKER_01: 19:19

And that's and that's the thing is like surprisingly, you can hide, even if you're wearing orange. Yeah, I mean, there was a time I went back with my dad, you know, one of our matches we did, he had an orange uh long sleeve shirt on, you know, just because he didn't feel like changing. And uh, you know, the results were amazing.

SPEAKER_04: 19:40

You know, I you think it was one of the ones?

SPEAKER_01: 19:44

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not that. No, fuck. Um, but you I mean, even wearing orange, if you know what you're doing, you can you can easily just slip away.

SPEAKER_02: 19:54

Did you you uh you didn't you uh you didn't see him the third time, right? You didn't Only your friend saw him.

SPEAKER_01: 20:01

I didn't. Only he saw him the third time.

SPEAKER_02: 20:03

Did he describe him as like looking similar, or did or did you never like ask?

SPEAKER_01: 20:08

I don't think we really I didn't I didn't really ask him about it. I didn't really ask him about it because both of us, I mean, like I'll be honest, we were shook up to the point where like when we looked and we said run, we just literally both at the same time said run, you know, when we when we heard it breaking brush. You know, and his whole thing is because it was it was raining, it was starting to rain heavier, right? You know, he was coming around the bend and he had just saw it right as it had stepped in the middle of the trail, right? And it was it was on its way out, but he caught the tail end of it. You know, not he didn't see the full thing step, you know, from oh across one side to the other. He saw the tail end of it as it's slipping into the brush, right, in the heavy rain, and that's what caused him, and that's why he's like, I don't know, there's something up there, you know. I don't know what it is, it's big, it just crossed this crossed the trail, you know. You know, and when he said that, and I'm just like, okay, that's that's a little strange. That's that's kind of odd, you know. And then when you see the footprint and you're like, oh my gosh, you aren't just seeing things. It's not the rain, it's not anything, because that footprint was not there when we came down the first time.

SPEAKER_04: 21:30

So did you guys like uh take photos of the footprint or like cast it or something?

SPEAKER_01: 21:36

Or no, no, no. We had no casting material, no knowledge on how to do casts like that.

SPEAKER_02: 21:43

Well, no, it was this wasn't like uh you didn't have like uh like like a let's say like an iPhone or anything at this time. Pull out the Nikon, the Polaroid. Uh what was it? Um you said the second time, like you were like you were like uh hiding or like would were you like really close to it on the second time?

SPEAKER_01: 22:03

Like that you felt like probably it was probably about at this point the second time, right? When we were in the log behind the log, yeah, it was probably about a hundred yards up. But it was it was still in the it was in because there was a distinct tree line, right, before you hit the third area, and it was staying within that tree line. It was it was over by where that trail was that that ends there, but it was off on the left side. Well, from us looking that way, right? So our left, it's off there, just kind of like standing there, you know. And that's when it's like okay, and we and we watched it. We were there for I mean, we were behind the log probably about 20 minutes. I think we probably watched it about five minutes or so, right? Like, you know, it's and then that's when I put the binoculars up. And it was gone, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 22:57

Does it have like like nor human hands, like a like a well, I guess not like human hands, but like, you know, like uh I guess like primate look primate-like, you know, like primate-like face or primate like like hands and stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 23:10

I'll tell you, I've never actually seen its face. I never saw its face.

SPEAKER_02: 23:17

It was always like I guess like turned around.

SPEAKER_01: 23:20

It was it wasn't always turned around, like even if it's looking at you, right? Like it it had enough cover that you could see it, but you know, some features, right? Like it looked like a person, but a very hairy, large person, right? From what you could see. You know, it's just it's bizarre. It's it's one of those. No, but arms, arms and leg, arms and legs, trying to think. Not too much. You could you would just see the body, you could see like right where its head is, but it you you just couldn't really with the distances and stuff, like you couldn't really make out much, right? And then when you would try to, you know, bring binoculars up or try to get a better look, you know, by that point, you know, you look away to do it, it's gone, right? You know.

SPEAKER_04: 24:16

So when you guys were running away from uh said Bigfoot, um you said the trees were shaking, uh thumping you could hear, maybe. Uh you yeah, I'm sure you think it was running in the opposite direction, right?

SPEAKER_01: 24:29

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 24:30

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't seem like it's like violent towards people, or it seems more like scared of people. But it felt big.

SPEAKER_01: 24:39

It definitely felt big because when we because when we're we're crouched, so he was standing up, right? Which we see this footprint, he's standing up. I'm kind of crouched. I took a knee next to the footprint, and I'm looking at this, and we're both just kind of like in disbelief at what we're seeing, right? Like we're just the shock of it of like, okay, here's this footprint right where he saw it cross the trail. You know, where he saw something cross the trail, here's this footprint, you know, it's only one. If it was a person, and that's one of the things like we're talking about, you know, we we were there for like 30 seconds, right? Like, oh my goodness, this is a footprint. Like, this is insane. And the thing that we're talking about with it is like, okay, if it was a person for a stride like that, there's no way that a person would be able to take that many strides across the trail, right? Just one footprint right in the middle. So as we're doing that, um it so the the noise and all of that, I'm trying to think it was right where, so we were probably 10 fifth, 10-15 meters from where we saw it, right? As we're coming around the well, when he where he saw it, we're coming around the bend. And we had moved up that 10-15 meters looking at where where it was. We see the footprint we're there, 10 10 to 15 meters away in the big thick brush, you know, on the side where he saw it go. That's when we heard where and her when we heard it breaking brush. And like I said, you could see, I mean, you could see the brush moving, like you could see it moving, you could see, you know, everything, you could feel it, you know, on the ground at some, you know, like it's if something's hitting the ground, right? Running. And it's just it's it's as if someone's like running through brush and just pushing it out of the way, break, you know, stepping on everything, breaking it, you know, all this, and you're and you could hear it running away from us, right? Like that's the whole thing. And but we still, it's like just run, go. You know, we we just we need out.

SPEAKER_02: 27:00

Wow. Do you ever do you ever uh like hear it make like a noise it's like itself, like any kind of like I guess like a grunt or anything?

SPEAKER_01: 27:09

Zero noise, zero noise. If it did, if it did, it would have been probably covered up by the rain or um rain to there there was some thunder, a little bit. I mean, it wasn't thundering much at that point. There was some that had happened, which is why we turned around. But, you know, it if it had it wasn't anything that we could determine or that we heard. I I don't remember hearing any kind of grunts or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04: 27:38

So this footprint, uh, a lot of Bigfoot researchers look deep into the footprints. Um how would you describe its look and like you said human-like, right? So how deep was it? Because that could also indicate uh how big the animal creature is sometimes.

SPEAKER_01: 27:55

Oh man. I would say probably about an inch or so deep.

SPEAKER_05: 28:02

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01: 28:03

I mean, it was one of those, it was probably about an inch or so deep. The footprint, because it was fresh, the mud was fresh from that day, right? It was it was a beautiful footprint. It was beautiful. Alright.

SPEAKER_04: 28:17

Um I actually have uh um a friend who has may have seen a big footprint from uh upstate New York. You might have saw a big foot footprint. Uh I could send you it in the chat. We could take a look. Maybe it's similar, maybe not.

SPEAKER_01: 28:32

But uh Yeah, I'd love I'd love to see.

SPEAKER_04: 28:35

Let me let me send it here.

SPEAKER_01: 28:37

But no, I remember because there it was it was so clear this print that there was no question that it was a humanoid footprint. Like you could see the toes, you could see all that, you know. It was just it was just it was like wow, that's that's something that let me take a look at the Yep, so we got the footprint here.

SPEAKER_04: 29:02

I will show it to our uh you oh no, I can't show it. But if you want the reference, join our Discord server. Uh it's in the photos channel sent by my friend Frank. And uh just what is that? Very very similar. It's muddy. That is very similar. It's got the uh you can see the toes, you can see the uh the length of the photo print. Man, that takes me back.

SPEAKER_01: 29:30

Seeing this print takes me back. That is what it looked like.

unknown: 29:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_04: 29:39

That's a pretty good footprint.

SPEAKER_01: 29:42

That is a good it was, yeah. That takes me back.

SPEAKER_02: 29:47

What it can't be. There's something you can clearly see in your face. I feel like you can almost I feel like you can almost see kind of like a big toe. Mm-hmm. You know, I've seen a lot of people, you know, when it comes to big foot footprints, uh especially, you know, in like uh items like uh or services like mud say that it that it possibly could be like you know like a human footprint that can get like distorted uh especially like in like you know certain weather conditions, but I feel like you know like who what human is walking around barefoot in the mud and like you know you know, like in the middle of the woods.

SPEAKER_01: 30:25

I feel like well it's it's one of those who's walking around barefoot in the middle of the woods, and who has enough stride to clear a 10-foot trail with just one print.

SPEAKER_04: 30:40

And right, this right you saw that quickly, right? Uh it was like quick. You heard you saw the big foot, and then you saw the footprint right after it.

SPEAKER_01: 30:50

Yeah, it yeah, because it was one of those, he he sees it. I hang up with my mom, and I'm like, Tom, like what's going on, dude? Like, what do you see? And he goes, you know, and we had stopped. We probably were stopped for like five seconds, five, ten seconds, you know, after I hung up, and I'm like, what's going on? You know, I saw something. Okay, well, let's go take a look. You know, and then we walked up the what 10-15 meters to where we saw the print, and then we're you know, then we're looking at it, and it's and then that's when everything happened.

SPEAKER_04: 31:24

Yeah, that's it was it's gotta be some crazy creature, because there's no way it's not artificially produced, it's not uh it's real, you know. This is a real footprint experience you had here.

SPEAKER_01: 31:36

So well, and even with my dad, we had done enough tracking, you know, that's one of the big things he did with me was tracking. You know, it's like that's not two footprints, that is a single footprint right there on the ground. You know, it's it was it was very clear, like like that picture, you know, very clear that it's and even okay, so it's distorted. Something gets, you know, we had just gone through that area, we had been through the air, probably, I mean, no more than five minutes prior, right? Is when we had walked through there. It starts thundering, we turn around and call my mom. I say, hey, let's get the let's get the fence uh the ladders out. You know, that's the whole thing, is it's like what what person, right?

SPEAKER_04: 32:25

Hmm. So so you said the woods uh eventually got uh taken down where it used to go when you were younger.

SPEAKER_01: 32:36

They did. They did. Uh that happened probably 14 years ago.

SPEAKER_03: 32:46

I wonder where the wildlife went. Oh, those woods go.

SPEAKER_01: 32:50

I was I was so sad. I was so sad when I when they did it. I mean, there was just yeah. There was, you know, the stuff that happened with Tom, the stuff that happened with Richard, with Rich, right? The stuff that happens with Harry, I'm gonna call him Harry, the third friend, right? Um, the the stuff that happened with him in those woods, you know, th those were big parts of my my you know, forming me. You know, because distinct separate things that happened and things that we found, you know, because the stuff, and I think, you know, you you referenced the the everything the stuff that you know Rich and I found when we actually went to that connecting area after talking about it, like, hey, there's something there. We go into that connecting area, and it's you know, you we find the tree structure massive, like you know, like you see in the shows, and we're standing there, and it we I was dumbfounded, you know. This is this is what 2007, uh like uh mid-November 2007 at this point, and you know, I'm dumb. We're we're dumbfounded. We're like, what is this? You know, it looked like someone had built a structure, and I mean, and these trees were massive, you know. This wasn't things that had just fallen, you know, and then and the one that was interesting was with that the line of trees, because there two trees, it would be two trees, two big trees, snapped, they were they were snapped, laying on their side parallel in some areas, right? You know, you see things like that, you see things like the tree structures, it was it was it was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02: 34:44

Why'd they take the forest out?

SPEAKER_01: 34:45

Were they trying to build something or um so I commented on you know I was I was having some comments with people uh on that video, you know, after after it was posted. And there was a guy that's that supposedly he knew the people, the company, so where he lived in Ohio, was it Ohio? I think it was like Ohio, a different part, or somewhere, somewhere near there, that he knew the guys, the company that logged it off. And they did they just logged it off, right? I mean it was it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_02: 35:26

It was it was actually it was beautiful woods. Maybe they're trying to build more houses or something. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's probably something like that.

SPEAKER_01: 35:36

I mean, you had you had you had oak, you know, various oak, various maple, birch, you know, all different kinds back there. Gone. Anyway, you know, I I come home, you know, I come home from school, and I see, you know, them starting to log it off. It took them a while to log that off, too. I was I I just lamented, like, man, that those were some beautiful wood.

SPEAKER_02: 36:04

How how do you think uh like a giant creature like Bigfoot, you know, may remains to stay like so like elusive? You know, like people people just like can't get like a hold of them.

SPEAKER_01: 36:22

I mean you would be sub I mean it it would surprise people how easy it is to really hide in the woods. I mean re reference it like all the times of my dad, right? Everything with that, we would when when he and I would go back and and have a match, right? Just him and I, this is years later, right? We would start at dawn, we would go until dusk, and only make contact once in that little patch. You know, like it's it's it's easy. I mean, it's easy to hide. You know, if there's if it's small groups, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 37:06

I feel like a lot of just you know, you can't explore like a hundred percent of the woods, you know. No, uh, especially it's just so vast and stuff that I feel like that's probably why like deep, deep woods areas, you know, it's kind of like the the Amazon rainforest. Like, I think most of the Amazon rainforest remains unexplored. I think there's like hidden civilizations inside the rainforest that like we still don't know about because it's just so vast that it's it's it's hard to explore.

SPEAKER_01: 37:34

Well, and and the thing that to remember is that's just a little past 33 acres, right? When I when how Harry got involved, so you remember the the last my last friend, this is probably 2008, 2000, you know, uh winter 2008, December 2008. How we got involved, so he lived out by the area where all the newspapers used to say this stuff was, right? And how we got started is because we would go down, we'd do like bear grills, less trout stuff, right? Out because he lived way out in the boonies, like he was like homage country, right? And uh we would uh we would go and we were talking about it, we were down there because in it's a creek, it's a creek. I'll just say it's I mean it's in the video, it's Canyon Creek, the Kanye Creek Bigfoot, right? And he goes, You're never gonna believe this. I mean, and this is a guy, he had spent his entire life out there hunting, scouting for areas to hunt, you know, like this was his life out there, right? And he goes, you know, and he had hunted everything that lived there. And his big thing was, you're gonna this is gonna sound crazy, but there's a Bigfoot that lives down here. And I go, I'm like, okay, tell me more. You know, he goes, It's orangish reddish. He sounds crazy, but it's orangish reddish fur. I'm like, Harry. We gotta talk about this man. I said, because my experiences, that thing was also orange-ish-reddish thing. We're talking about the same creature potentially, you know, like this is this is so. Here's another guy who had no idea, you know, that I had this stuff happen. He's had this stuff happen. He's like, he's his whole thing is like, I've been up on the ridge line because there was a ridgeline, a couple hundred foot drop, like like a uh probably like a 45 degree angle, uh, down to the creek, and he'd be up on the ridge line doubting hunting locations, and he would see this thing down there, you know. And it's it's I'm like, I believe you because I've seen the same exact thing, you're describing the same exact creature. That I have seen. You know, I saw this over many years ago. You know, I've had people with me and we've had encounters with this thing. You know, and he we we had mute that uh so Rich, so Rich and him were friends too at one point, right? And so like I'm like Rich and I had this experience, you know. Uh uh, we found tree structures, we found all this stuff. You know, before that, Tom, my friend Tom, he kind of knew of Tom. Uh so so uh Rich and Harry were a couple years younger than me. Uh, you know, so it's like so you know, so Tom and I had this experience. You know, we've had these I've had this experience myself. Tom and I have had these experiences. Rich and I have had these experiences, and now you're saying over here in a patch of woods that's connected to this 33 acres, that you are having these experiences as well. Now, and and you know, it's the whole thing of like, okay, so what Rich and I found when we went to the we went to that connecting section, found the tree structures, found that. Okay, so what are the tree structures? What what is their purpose? You know, what is the purpose of marking things by downing trees, right? Like it's it's all this stuff that's kind of connected. Because that little patch, so you have the 33 acres, you have the little connecting section, and then you have the bigger woods itself, you know, it's what I call is the bigger woods, right? And that bigger woods connects, everything's all connected, you know, out to where he lives, uh, out to where Harry lived. You know, and that was interesting. So it kind of segue into the final seg, you know, the final saga of all of this. Um, Harry and I decide, you know, so that day that he mentions it, it's like, okay, when the weather gets better, we are going to go out in those woods, we are going to go into that connected section, we're going to go as deep as we can, you know, and then we're gonna let's just figure it out. And so we're we're talking, and so we come up with this plan, right? And the plan is we're gonna go explore, then we're gonna go. There's a little section in the second sector of the woods, um, where you could build like a campfire almost, right? And some people had, you know, people camping back there had built a campfire. So we are going to build a fire, just hang out, hang out, talk about life, talk about everything. When the fire's dead, then we're gonna split up. He's gonna go to one side, I'm gonna go to the other, because he's like, This is how you push bear, or this is how you push deer, right? Like him and his dad would go hunting. This is how you push deer. So we had great walkie-talkies, and when the fire's dead, I'm gonna go uh the left side where that dry stream bed is, the dry creek bed. You're just gonna push up through this area, and let's just see what we get, right? Um, so we sit there because the common denominator is when you're mining your own business, this happens, right? So, okay, maybe we can attract it. So we do this and we move probably 20-30 minutes. You know, it's slow, it's probably like uh a foot of snow on the ground, right? And we hear, we actually hear something big pushing away from us through the snow. Didn't didn't see anything. It was, I mean, it was a good distance away, but you could hear something big moving in front of us, you know, and then it's just the noises stop, and then we you know, we're talking about it over the radio, like, hey, you hear this. Yes, I hear this. Okay, let's you know, let's move, let's move. It stops. It's like, hey, it stopped, yeah, you know, and then we reconvene, we're getting cold, we're all this, and and our whole thing is like, that's there's something. He's like, it's not a deer. I'm like, it's not a deer, because you know, deer don't necessarily make big noises like that, right? Um, but it there was something we heard moving, and you know, at that point we were like, okay, let's let's call it. You know, it's cold. We accomplished what we wanted to do. And then just from that point on, I don't think I ever went back in after that, right? That's kind of like the last time, because then just everything, life happens, it goes forward, things like that, right? But that was that was the final the final thing that had happen back there was we were moving and we heard that. And it just, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 44:56

But now uh I guess like due to all like the logging and stuff, he's probably no longer in that area, right?

SPEAKER_01: 45:05

Uh probably not. They've they've replanted, they've since replanted probably the last uh seven, eight years they've replanted, but it's it's not the same.

SPEAKER_02: 45:17

So what was the point in taking on the trees in the first place?

SPEAKER_01: 45:21

Who knows? They they logged it off, it was an empty. I mean, it was empty for years, and then I come back and they've replanted there's trees sprouting at the time. It was like little tiny trees, baby trees. And you know, I've gone back the last uh uh last year, 2024. I went back, you know, and I'm there in 2024, and the trees are a lot bigger now, but it was like, okay, so what was even the point? They logged it off, they got their wood, and then they replanted. You know, I was like, they're probably gonna log it off when the trees get big enough, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 46:00

You also said that you did some wood knocking, right?

SPEAKER_01: 46:03

Oh, yes, yes, that was with uh um sorry, I forgot about that part. Hold your thought, we'll be right back.

SPEAKER_04: 46:10

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SPEAKER_00: 46:14

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SPEAKER_04: 46:54

Alright, folks, we are back here with Phil, and he is going to continue his story on the Bigfoot wood knocking.

SPEAKER_01: 47:02

Yeah, so um so this one, this was about November 2007. This is when Rich and I went back, right? So uh Rich and I so we're back there. Remember the tree structures, right? I told you this we're this is when we found the tree structures. So we're back there, and you know, by this point, I've been watching more shows, right? So first encounters like 2004, 2005, you know, and 2006, or the early ones with Tom. By this point, you know, there's more shows, there's more things. It's like, hey, let's try wood knocking, right? So when we found these structures, we're back there, and we do, you know, we did the three knocks, pop, pop, pow, you know, like it's like a big big branch, right? And knocked it. So we'd sit there and we're listening, and about a minute later, but you know, a minute or two later, coming from like the deeper part, it was it was coming from the deeper part of the woods, right? We hear response, you know, pow pow pow. Oh wow, and yeah, it was like, okay, let's do this again. So pow, pow, pow, right? Um, a minute later, pow, pow, pow, coming from the deeper part of the woods. And it was it was just like, man, this is insane. You know, we found the tree structures, we found like the that path of trees, right? The path of trees, the tree structures. Now we're got wood knock. So what we did, um, you know, at one point, so we we we went deeper, a little deeper, found more of the same, you know, the more than like the tree trail. And then we're back there, and we we do it again, we do it a third time, you know, pow pow pow, but we get no response. Oh, you know, yeah, there's no response. So now we're back in the deeper part, you know. We're you know, a little bit into the deeper part. We had had responses, we found more tree stuff going on. We did the wood knock when we had the responses, now we're not getting responses, and we're standing there, you know. It's like, okay, let's try it again. No response. And and the feeling immediately, it's like this foreboding feeling comes over you, and we both kind of look at each other, it's like we we shouldn't be here. Like, we this was a bad idea.

SPEAKER_03: 49:30

Oh, get out of this.

SPEAKER_01: 49:31

This was legitimately a yeah, yeah. As soon as that happens, it's like, okay, we're leaving. We're going, you know. Just the feeling, like the whole atmosphere. We're like, I don't want to say it's static, but it's like we're static because something happened. We found this stuff, we did this knocking, got this response, and then nothing, and then there's this feeling that's like, oh man, this is not good. And then, you know, that's when we left. Um, and then yeah, I didn't really get a chance to go back too much between that, between that time and when uh between Rich and Harry. Uh, the next time I went back was the stuff with Harry. And a lot of that is my grandmother died, uh uh a month later. After uh after Rich and I had done stuff. My grandmother died, life happens, you know, trying to get things sorted out with that, and and you know, fast forward like a year, year or so later, and then that's when Rich where uh Harry and I went back so what do you think it is?

SPEAKER_04: 50:47

Do you you really think it's Bigfoot, right?

SPEAKER_01: 50:50

I legitimately think it's let's let's talk about that, right? Okay, a person. Why would a person the people that live in that area around that area are older? Okay, everybody knows each other.

SPEAKER_04: 51:15

No one no one's grandma's going out there and spooking.

SPEAKER_01: 51:21

The people that live in that area had been my my grandfather, the house that he lived in that were you know that we'd go over there, that we lived with them for 18 months, you know, and well I'm talking about the neighborhood now, right? Right, right, right. He he lived well it's diagonal across the street, right? Like literally across from the woods right there's the house. No, across from where he had lived.

SPEAKER_04: 51:43

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 51:44

You know, he he was born there in 34. He buys that house in the early 60s. Okay, like the no the late 50s. There was the late 50s, you know, he'd lived there. His brother lived in the house that he grew up in, right? His other brother lived next door to him. Um, you know, the people that lived in that neighborhood, he had grown up with. My parents, my mother had grown up with, my uncles had grown up with. You know, we knew there were very few people in that neighborhood that we did not know. You know? Why? You know, the whole thing is why? Why would one of them go into these woods, dress up as something, and do this?

SPEAKER_04: 52:32

But but it couldn't have even been a person because you said um this thing was huge, uh the footprint was uh it was too big, it couldn't fit.

SPEAKER_01: 52:44

Well, and then so right, so you get the people first, right? And you look at it as in okay, so let's let's look at what's going on. Well, it's like you said, you know, like we're like we've been talking about, it's large, the footprint's large, you know, everything about this thing is large. Okay, so it's is it a really tall person? You know, it's it's impossible, right? Like, there's no barefoot, seven, eight foot tall basketball star running around the woods, right? You know, like it's it's there's things like that, and and even up there, the concept of Bigfoot for a lot of these people, you know, because it's it's a lot of older people, the concept of Bigfoot is Bigfoot, and because this was the concept that I had that I grew up with because of this, you know, that the Bigfoot is out in California, Northern California, I think it was, right? Is that where the the Patterson Gimli film is? You know, out there. You know, why is Bigfoot here in little old Northeast Ohio? You know, it's it's it's there's things like that. There's things where it's just and then you keep adding to it, right? So the early stuff, you see the big thing, you find the footprint. Okay, now it's you know, going back, so you know, the stuff with Tom now going back with rich. Okay, I'm back with rich. Why is there a person in the middle? I mean, yeah, there's people that live nearby, right? But why are these people going out and building these giant tree structures? You know, why are people building, you know, ripping trees in half to turn them into like some kind of like path, not path, but you know what you know what I mean? Like obviously marking something. You know, it's these are these are people that quite frankly don't have that kind of time. You know, that kind of time to do that kind of stuff. You know, why would they they don't have the you know, I don't want to say energy, but like it's it's a it's different, right? It's it's I mean a lot yeah, there's a lot of people that would hunt. Um you'd find shot shells all over, mostly in like the marshy area where the ducks would go. Because there were some ducks out there. Uh ducks and turkey. But you know, are these people going back and doing all this? And a part of the woods where there is no trail. Right? You gotta remember where we found this, there is no trail. You know, it's it's you have to once you get to the third part, that's where the trails stop. If you go deeper, there is nothing. You're you're going cross country. You know.

SPEAKER_04: 55:41

So what usually they hunted deer or turkey? What would what do they usually hunt?

SPEAKER_01: 55:45

Uh mostly probably turkey. Some deer, probably some deer sub probably some deer. Um, but that gets a little bit more finicky up there. But but there were definitely duck. Uh the shells that you'd find were burged were bird shot, uh, not buck. You wouldn't find any buck or buck or slug, uh, just bird.

SPEAKER_04: 56:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 56:08

You know.

SPEAKER_04: 56:11

Yeah, I I don't know what it is. I mean uh American black bear, but no, that footprint looks nothing like a a bear.

SPEAKER_02: 56:19

I think I don't think black bears are that tall standing up. I don't I think grizzly grizzly bears are taller. I'm not sure if black bears are that tall, standard or high legs. Most bears and most bears don't well this thing was walking on two legs. Well, whatever you did see, it was on two legs, right? And most bears don't stay on two legs for that long.

SPEAKER_04: 56:37

So that's out of the question. Any other animals, uh probably not. I can't think of one similar.

SPEAKER_01: 56:44

No, and and the thing is, like, would there be bear that show up? Once every couple years, yes, there would be a bear that shows up in that area. But when that bear showed up, like it would hit the news. Like it would actually make the paper, hey, watch out, there's a bear in this area. You know? Um, and then people would talk about it. Like that was the talk of the town. Oh my gosh, so and so saw a bear. You know, it's it's and we're talking like the little the little one. What is it, brown or black? I can't remember what the smaller one is. Oh, the black, I think, is smaller. Yeah, and that's that's what it what it was. It's just like the smaller of the bears, you know. It's it's so it's this yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 57:28

I think black bears get up to I think it's like four to six feet standing up.

SPEAKER_01: 57:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 57:35

Well uh grizzly a grizzly bear's eight uh eight to ten.

SPEAKER_01: 57:42

No, there's and there's no grizzly, no grizzly at all now.

SPEAKER_02: 57:45

Yeah, yeah, I don't I'm not sure if there's even grizzlies. No. And also a a black bear wouldn't have, you know, reddish orange fur.

SPEAKER_04: 57:53

It might, but again, uh the footprint looks nothing like it, and uh it's on two legs, and uh I'm pretty sure bears don't know how to knock trees back. No.

SPEAKER_02: 58:05

So would knock, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 58:08

I mean that could be a different situation. There could be like uh the Us in there, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 58:11

I mean the US is you know uh you know, one of the I feel like few countries or areas that doesn't really have like any sort of like uh primates or of any kind. And uh from what I've heard about Bigfoot, I feel like it's the it it closely resembles like I guess the behavior of like almost like a like an ape of some sort, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 58:37

And that's and that's where I'm kind of torn when people ask, like, what do you think Bigfoot is? You know, uh some people go the metaphysical route where they go, okay, well Bigfoot is this interdimensional being, you know. I I'm not saying it is, not saying it isn't, but you know, it's it's I I really honestly I I think it's more ape than you know anything else. You know, just just from what I've seen, it reminded me a lot of a person.

SPEAKER_02: 59:13

Yeah, I know there are like some theories that think like big uh like Bigfoot's like connected to like UFOs and stuff, and that probably would make them like so hard to spot.

SPEAKER_04: 59:23

Yeah. Now you did see a UFO, you said, right?

SPEAKER_01: 59:28

Yeah, that that story. Um if you if you guys want to even talk about that one.

SPEAKER_04: 59:35

It may be about that on different times.

SPEAKER_01: 59:39

Um I don't I don't know if I don't know if this one is. This one is one of those where it's like uh happened in airsoft match. Everything happens in airsoft matches, right? Um there were five of us. So uh Rich lived up by the lake. Um there was kind of like a small wood line and then a giant field. Right, and the field's probably a couple hundred yards. Uh, and then there's a berm, probably like a uh uh four foot berm, and then a drop-off, a little beach. You know, the drop-off is probably like 50 foot, 60 foot, then a beach, and then the lake. Um, so what happened that night was we it was getting dark. This this is literally a couple weeks before Rich and I went back and found all the other stuff, right? This is this kind of like got that conversation going. What happened was we it was getting dark. We were gonna do like one more round. You know, we had you'd have like different rounds like throughout the day. This is a weekend, right? Um, we're gonna do one more round, we were reloading our stuff. We wanted a little bonfire to set the mood. So Rich and one of the other guys went into the field. They got a whole bunch of because there's trees, like all like little tree areas. Uh and we're when I mean tree area, like each one's probably like the size of like a king-sized bed, right? Like you'd have trees kind of shoved together and brush, you know, and then like dotted just throughout the field, right? And a little like a little like uh uh game trail or something that leads all the way to the berm from the woodline to the berm, right? Because the grass is probably a couple feet high out in the field. Um so Rich and this guy, they go back, they get these wood, this wood, they come back, and we're standing there. I'm reloading my stuff, I'm getting ready to go. Everyone's there's you know, there's five of us. And we look out in the field and they they they drop the wood, their mouths drop, their eyes go wide as saucers, they're like, there's a fire in the field. And you know, all of us are like, come on, guys. Like, haha, that's that's funny. You know, funny, funny joke, but you know, let's let's get serious here. You know, we're thinking they're trying to freak us out, right? And like, no, serious, there's a fire out in the field. And so we look and we look through the the woodline, and the woodline's probably gosh, uh, I would say probably like 40 foot deep. You know, it's not a very deep woodline, right? It's like an L-shaped woodline. Uh a road and another road, and the houses, it separates the houses from the field, right? And so we're looking at this, you know, this there's this fire in this field, and it's like, okay, so is there someone out there? Like, what's going on? It's like, well, let's go out and see. And they're like, uh uh, we ain't going out. I'm like, oh, come on, guys. Like, we gotta do something here. Like, you know, everyone's like, uh, I'm not going out. So so I'm like, you know what, I'll do it. I'll do it. So it takes me about five, six minutes to you know, slither. It's like 40 foot, but I'm crawling. You know, I crawl through the wood line. I've got uh ghilly, I've got a gilly, uh uh it's not like even an upper, it's a hat, right? And it's kind of draped over your upper. And so I've got that, I crawl through, and I I get out the wood line, so kind of just right out there, there's kind of a uh a tree that had fallen. So I kind of get behind the tree, you know, it's dark, and I see this fire out in the middle of this field. I can see the berm behind the fire, right? Because you can see, because it's light enough with the moon and all this stuff. Um, I can see it. I can see the other tree areas behind it, around it, and I can see people moving around this fire. Like, probably like three or four people around this fire. And so I'm watching it for a couple minutes, I'm like, okay, so this isn't a prank. You know, this is actually something that's out there, and uh this is where the UFO park comes in, right? So I slither back through the woods, takes like five, six minutes to get back through the woods. I report back, and we're standing in the driveway, right? Because it's kind of like driveway area, everything, you know, like a like a gravel driveway, right? We're standing in this driveway, and you know, we look, and so the road that's running heading up toward the lake, right? So there's a road running east-west, road that runs north-south, right? North-south to the lake. We're we're near there, we see this plane. This plane is silent. It's, I mean, higher than treetop, a little higher than treetop, I'd say probably about 1500 feet. Um, I have taken flight lessons before. So, you know, altitude, stuff like that, right? Um, so it's probably about 1500 feet. And this plane, it's quiet, it's silent, it morphs into one ball of light, continues over this road, gets, and we're running after this thing, right? We see it happen in front of our eyes. We're like, let's go. Yeah, so we're running down the road, it's dark, probably not smart, right? Because there's there's not really cars. They gets over the lake, and this ball of light dives right into the lake. Right into the lake. And so all of us, like, the other four, are like, okay, this just happened. Now we really need to go into that field. Right? So so at this point, I'm the only one that had been in the field since the fire. So now we're all going into the field. We walk into the field.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:10

The fire was before that thing landed in the lake.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:13

Yep. Yep, the fire is before it. We get out in the field, we can see this fire. But there's a problem. We can't actually get close to this fire. We walk the entire span of the lake up to the berm. This fire is about maybe half a mile out in the lake, underneath the water. You can see the late the waves lapping over it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:06:39

Huh.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:43

So we do one last match. Okay, well, dinner, it's dinner time, right? We eat something, we're talking, we're like, we're telling spooky stories, you know, because like, oh my gosh, this is insane. Okay, well, let's do one more match. Um, so it's me and two guys, and then Rich and another the other guy, the guy that actually went with him to get the wood. So they're one team or the other. We push out into the field, we get to one of the tree areas. So, my guys, we get to one of the tree areas, turn around. I'm like, watch this trick. I open up my phone, I call uh one of the other guy that was with him, because we you know we all had our numbers, right? I call him, you can hear his phone ringing in the tree line. He's he's just irritated. He's like, ah, you know, yeah, he's grumbling some stuff. You hear him going back to the house. So I look at my guys, I go, okay, this is our chance. We're moving because we're gonna set up an ambush. We're gonna we're gonna let them come to us, right? So we're moving. Um we're following that little path, right? It's like a little dirt, whatever path. Following it, we get to it, and uh to one of the tree areas. It's the tree area is between the the other the wood line and the path. It's I mean it's like a small path, like a foot, two foot wide, right? You know, like just a little where the grass is bent down, right? Um, so we set up, and I have one guy covering the wood line in case they decide to go up that side. I'm covering front right, so I'm watching the path, and then I have another guy that's kind of with me. So we're kind of online in there, me and this other guy, and then the you know, the third washing the wood line, right? We're there for about 20 minutes, and um the guy watching the woodline, we can, you know, there's something kind of happened, and he crawls back to me, he kind of taps me on the shoulder, and he whispers, he goes, Phil, he goes, There's something moving up that wood line. I'm like, what? He goes, There's something moving up that wood line. I'm like, okay. He's like, he he can see people moving up the wood line. You know, there's like a couple people that he sees. So we form online, so we kind of it's like, okay, this is bizarre. Like, why they've never moved up that wood line. You know, that's that's in all the times that we've been there that we've done this, no one's ever moved up that wood line. Okay, let's form online. So we form online and it stops. The people just stop. Okay, this is kind of bizarre. We wait, there's nothing. It's like, okay, so let's fall back to the berm. Uh, there were a couple down trees in front at one point in front of the berm. So it's like, okay, let's let's take up a defensive position there. We got clear fields of fire. Anyone that's wanting to get to us to get in range is gonna have to come out and step out of cover. So we're gonna be able to just mop them up, and then we all go home. We we sat there probably another 20-30 minutes. Nothing. Nobody's coming out. We see nothing, we hear nothing. At this point, it's starting to snow, and we're getting cold, and we're like, uh, let's let's call it. It's been half an hour, it's getting late, we all gotta go home. Um, so we're walking back, and uh we're we're kind of like, okay, we're done. You know, it's all done. We're done. The Rich and the other guy never left the starting point. They were too afraid to go in the field. They didn't think that anyone was going to go in the field, and they thought that we had agreed that we weren't going to go into the field. So, who is in the woodline, right? And that kind of started the conversation of okay, so this is funky, this is weird, let's talk about some stuff that I've got going on. And that's when Rich and I decided, well, okay, let's look into this. You know? But every now and then, uh Rich Rich said, every now and then he still sees uh weird things out in the field, weird lights in the field.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:04

So you think those those were just other people in the woods?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:08

No idea. No idea. Everyone, I mean everyone, it's it's like late o'clock, it's snowing, right? You know, why would anyone be out except for us playing? You know. Could it be someone else that was in the wood line? Maybe. But they were moving up, you know, they they'd been moving a pretty good distance. You know, and maybe, maybe not, but the the the the light in the field, the fire, that was uh that was that was bizarre.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:40

So you think the uh the thing that fell into the lake was uh UFO?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:46

I think it was. Because it's like I said, it's it started it started as a plane, right? Like you could see the lights like it was a plane. But then those lights in front of our eyes combine into one big ball. Like they just collapsed in on themselves into a big ball that kept going until it hit the lake and then went into the lake.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:13

I think so it could be like a meteor or something. That's that could be my guess for that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:20

Yeah, maybe. I mean, like, did anyone find anything in the lake?

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:24

I mean No, like there's you could see, like, and this is the thing is like even like you know, the fire, so you know, it's two separate lights, right? The fire in the field, and then the fire that was up above, or not the fire, the light. Right? Maybe the light above was a meteor, maybe it was. Um, but the fire out in the field, right? That's what prompted us to go back in the field. We see the fire, but the four but we can never catch up to the fire. And then suddenly that fire, the same fire, that same light, that same everything, not the not the light with the tree with the road, but that we saw in the field, is now out in the middle of the lake. You know, under the water. You can see the waves lapping over this thing. You know. Weird.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:12

Wow. So maybe that could be Bigfoot? Uh who knows?

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:18

I may have uh who knows who knows, but it prompted that conversation. You know, it got Rich and I talking about it. Hey, that was weird, humanoid things like people that fry that you know, that fire, you know, and it's like, hey, you know, and then we did throw around Bigfoot, you know, that that was thrown around, and that kind of how we segued into the uh hey, I know this patch of woods where I've had some things happen. Want to go check it out?

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:47

Did you see it crash into lake? Like was it like a giant splash?

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:50

Or no, no, because um no, because there's trees at the end of the road. We we just saw it dive down. That was it. We we didn't see what happened to it, we just saw it dive down.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:04

How far in the sky was it when it dived? Like, was it like really up above?

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:09

No, it was fifty about 1500 feet. But it seemed like literally it was it was a plane, it looked like a plane, right? And so the light that we chased down that road, right? Started, it was like a silent plane. You had the red blinking light on the left, the green blinking right light on the right, okay, and then you have the little small white light in the back, just like a normal plane. All three of those lights collapsed into one ball. One ball of light, one ball of white light. We watched it collapse.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:44

What about the whole thing? The plane just kind of turned into a ball. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:53

And then that's the thing that went down the road, you know, it was over the road, probably about 1500 feet. You know, uh, which is which is where how high planes fly, and then it it picked up speed, because I remember it picked up speed, and then it just dived right down, like literally it's just like flying straight and just straight down.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:17

Did it make like any sound? Like, did it sound like a plane?

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:21

No sound? Nope, no sound, it was silent.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:25

Well, that is very strange.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:28

It it was, I mean, and that's the thing, is it's like it and even in like that weather at that time of night, because the weather wasn't there was enough that you could see the moon, but you know, you it was definitely getting colder, and the moon was starting to kind of as the night progressed, there was more uh more stuff rolling in, right? So it's like, you know, it's wow.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:00

So have you uh heard of any other uh sightings maybe of uh back to Bigfoot or anything to that nature in your town, besides from you and your friend.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:11

So, yes, so the paper, I'd have to I'd have to dig again. I know that there's some articles, there's some stuff about it in the 70s that pop up. And then I think a few years ago, um, you know, pops up, oh local thought, local sop big you know, local sop bigfoot out here, you know. So so there are other people that have seen it. Um I'm trying to remember the description. It's been a while since I've read it. Since I've read any of the papers. But um, but yeah, other people other people have seen things. Not none, not just me and my friends.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:51

Yeah, um, I'm looking at Ohio ranks fourth in the largest number of Bigfoot sightings. Yeah. Uh apparently the number one Bigfoot area is Washington.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:05

Yes. Right? I heard if you camp in Oregon, one in the Original.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:10

It's Washington, California, Florida, Ohio, and Oregon are top five. Florida's interesting.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:16

I my favorites, so my in-laws live up in the Cascades in Washington. And a couple times a year we drive up there for vacation. Uh, summer and winter. And because uh my wife lives in a town that's very Christmassy, or her family's from there, and uh when we drive, there we have to go through uh the Umatilla reservation, and there's a travel plaza, and usually we'll stop, kind of you know, go to the bathroom, stretch. It's up in the uh after you get out of the blue mountains, right? The blues. So you come down out of the blues, the mountain passes up there, and and I always have to take a selfie with it. At this travel plaza, they have a a life-size giant cartoonish stuffed Bigfoot that they dress up because there's I I've got friends that get into this stuff too, and I'm like, guys, and I'll send it to my my mom. My mom gets into this. I'm like, mom, I had a bigfoot encounter. I said, I got I got great pictures. Let me show you, and I'll you know, I'll send it to her, and uh it's it's fun. Um, never had uh encounter with Bigfoot up there. Never, and we've been we've been camping up there. Um ran into bear. The only other place I've ever had any kind of anything fastwash related is you out here in Utah. Uh so I'm out in Utah. Uh I had a friend that we would go up to the mountains uh at least once a year. Um and one of the years we went, he took me to an area where like the year prior, him and his son had an encounter with something up there. And so those pictures, I think it was those pictures I sent you. Uh I don't know if you remember that. That the two, the one of the footprint and the one of the rock stacking. Um I didn't encounter anything up there, but but the footprint and the rock stacking, that was the picture doesn't do the footprint justice, right? It's dry, it's kind of dry dirt. Um but the rock stacking that spire, that spire that they're all on top of is about 25 yards in the middle of like this bowl in the mountains, right? So it's like this spire on either side, it's probably like 400 foot tall spire, right? It's flat on top. And each of those rocks is the size of a copy. They had to weigh about a thousand pounds each. So these first two are the rocks on top of the spire. And then this next one is gonna be. Yeah, this next one's gonna be the footprint. And the other one, and we didn't we didn't have any encounters up there. Um the creepiest thing that happened, like there's not like there was one point I thought I saw something moving in the wood line. Uh, because we were there, there's there was like a woodline, there's like a tree line uh down below where we were, and I thought I saw something moving. It was like a deer. Um, but the only other thing that happened that was creepy was uh so up there there were cows because a lot of the ranchers out here will push their cows up into the mountains, and then like at the end of the season bring them down on horseback, right? Like actual cowboy stuff. And one of the cows, something happened to it. It wasn't time for them to bring the cow down, right? The cows down, so the cows are just free range. We don't know what happened to it, but it died, but we could hear this thing dying, and that that was a sound. I mean, we had just come out of this tree line, right? We're out in the middle of nowhere, we're starting to head up toward that bowl, and all of a sudden we just hear like this sound. I mean, it's like this screeching, screaming, like you know, stuff like that, right? And uh uh, you know, I so he had my friend had worked for the Forest Service back in the 80s building backpacking trail up in the mountains, and so the teams that he was on, their rule of thumb was if you're up in the middle of nowhere, always bring a long gun. So I had a uh Marlin in 4570 that I that I used to bring, and so I had it slung, I unsling it, rack one into the chamber, right? I shoulder it, I shoulder it, and you know, both of us kind of get into a defensive line. So he's he's former military, my friend, right? So he's got a pistol, but he gets his pistol out, so we're kind of in a defensive line, like right where we stand, because we're in the middle of like this open area now, so we can see anything coming out of the tree line, and then the noise just stops, and you can hear the mooing, like other mooing, right? He's like, Oh, it's just a cow. I'm like, that's a cow, he goes, Yeah, it's a dying, it's a dying cow. I'm like, that's a freaking cow. That noise is a cow. He goes, Well, it's a dying cow. I'm like, I heard you. I go, I heard you. But like, you know, it's and we we kind of stood there and we just kind of laughed at it. Not at the cow dying, but like, it's like, holy crap. It's like, okay, well, if that's the weirdest thing that's happened, hey.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:44

And and to clarify, this was in the Utah Mountains, right? For listeners.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:48

Yeah, this is up in the UN as yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:51

And then uh shortly after that, once we got up to where that bowl was, is where the footprint and the the rock stacking was.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:00

Wow. Yeah, these rocks look huge.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:03

Yeah. They they were, and that's the thing is you well, if you look at the spire, you see all the trees around the spire? Those are the tops of trees. Those aren't little trees, those are big trees, the tops of them. So something climbed that spire with those rocks and stacked them. And each rock, each rock is like the size of a coffee table. Probably about like uh three, I'd say about maybe two and a half, three feet tall, and as long as a coffee table.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:35

And this footprint is pretty cool too. It's hard to see it, but I if you like look away a little bit, I it's easier to see. But um, you could see it's kind of slanted.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:45

The picture, the picture didn't really do it justice.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:49

Um But it was it was one of those, like I snagged those two pictures, and I'm like, you know what? My life is complete. This this is I actually have photographs now of something. You know, like this is this is cool. This is cool.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:04

Um, how do you think like uh a creature like Bigfoot can be sighted in so many places across the US? Like, like do you think there's like a multiple of them? Oh absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:17

Absolutely. I mean, why do you think let's let's rephrase the question, right? How do you think that uh brown bears are spotted across the US? Think there's multiple of them?

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:27

Yeah, but you know Yeah. I mean, does that does that mean like I guess like they they like reproduce or whatever, right? I guess there's like you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:38

I want a baby bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:41

So the trails in my hometown, there are some trails that are there that were built by the Native Americans. There's there's mock markers for it and everything, right? Uh historic, historical markers, things like that. When you walk those trails, when you walk in those lands, there's an ancient feel that is indescribable. You know, it's when I when we went camping, so we took my daughter camping for the first time this summer, she's four. Um we took her camping, and we are up by a mountain lake in the middle of the Cascade Mountains, and it's a feeling I don't even know how to describe it. You know, like I don't even know how to describe it. The land. It's probably one of the most spiritual experiences I've ever had, right? Um it it's it's whatever whatever Bigfoot is, right? Bigfoot saskwash, whatever you want to call it, whatever it is, I have no doubt that it is older than what we are. Older than people, older than you know, a lot of places. Um because that's where you find it, right? Is this old land. These are I mean who knows who knows how long they live, right? Who knows how long they live, how old they can get, um, what they are, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:32

Um I'm pretty sure uh I think the first like Bigfoot sightings like were from like Native Americans where they they like I think they would tell like tales of like uh like a humanoid like primate like creature in the woods.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:46

So I bought this book called Man Like Monsters on Trial. Um the book came out 30 years ago, maybe 30, 40 years ago. And it kind of looks at the origin, and it's not like specific stories, it's not like a book on legends, right? It's a collection of scientific papers from a conference that kind of talks about this phenomenon, right? What is Bigfoot? What is the origin of it? And if you look, every I mean, you know, it's it takes kind of a skeptical look at Bigfoot, you know, like does it exist, does it not exist, you know, kind of proposes theories. But if you look, almost every indigenous culture has legends, to my knowledge, you know, if I'm wrong, then I'm then I'm wrong. But my understanding, based on what I've read with that, you know, you you you research this kind of stuff trying to figure it out. Every indigenous culture that I to my understanding has some sort of legend, some sort of story, some sort of something about Sasquatch, about Bigfoot, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:08

It it's uh I've heard things like uh like every every country like sort of has their own like like giant sort of like uh primate like creature. Like I think like Australia, they have something called like a Yowie, and like you know, Asia has like the Yeti. And I've heard like I even in like Florida they have something called like the skunk ape or something like that, which is and like uh I think it might be it might be Vietnam has something called like a rock ape or something like that. Like they all kind of have like their own like tales of uh uh like a giant like humanoid kind of like almost like a wild man type thing uh that like uh like kind of stays away, hidden from the public.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:59

Yeah, there's something. There is something. What it is, who knows? You know, I don't.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:08

I think the sh the sheer amount of sightings and you know all across the world and everything makes me makes me believe that like you know like all these people like can't be wrong, you know what I'm saying? No like I I I there's like there's there's no way that sheer amount of people like mistook a bear or something, you know, like there's been way too many sightings definitely the footprints, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:37

There's there's there's so much that's out there, right? Um what is it? Snell Grove Lake. You guys have heard Snell Grove Lake, right? I think it's Snow Grove Lake. Oh, what's what's that? Uh so the first time I heard about it, some monster quest on the History Channel uh went up there. That's that's a famous one. It's a cabin up on this lake, up in uh British Columbia.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:01

And it's just there's something that's up there. There's something that's attacked the cabin before. Um you know, people have had sightings for decades of something up there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:14

That's a scary one.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:16

Yeah, yeah. But you know, and that's that's my whole thing, is like what you know, it's it's there's too much, and I I get it, anecdotal evidence, right? Where's the hard evidence? Where's the bodies? Where's this? Where's that? Anecdotal evidence. It's everywhere. You know, it's like you were saying, right, there's just so much of it out there. Yeah, how are people mistaking bears? Look at look at my friend, you know, look at Harry, right? Harry spent all his spare time up in the woods. He would come home from school, he would go to the woods, he would do his thing, you know, hunting, scouting new hunting locations, you know, doing all this different stuff. He knows what the wildlife looks like. He knows what, you know, any of this is so when he says there is something I have seen up there that I don't know what it is, right? Well, you know, that's the that's the big thing. Is they just um you know, it's there's there's just so much of it. There's so much of it that's out there, there's so much that goes on, so much everywhere, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:40

Yeah, it's crazy uh how we don't have a like a good video of it yet though. We need we need to get a good video of it. That's our mission here. We're gonna get one.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:51

Eventually, you know. Who knows? Some of these some of these videos that people write off are fake. Who knows if they're real or not, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:59

Yeah, it's gonna get worse though with the AI. It's uh it's not looking good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:03

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, and that's that's one of the reasons those pictures that I sent. That's one of the reasons I I I treasure those pictures. Because that's for me. You can see people can say whatever they want. Oh, someone that went up there and sacked those rocks. How? Physically, how is a person gonna do it? You know, there is no way to get mechanical equipment up there. Everything that's done up there is done on horseback, right? Um helicopter, you can do helicopter, but why would someone do that, you know, spend that kind of money to do it? Um, it just there's things like that, right? It's it's like when you think about the people are like, oh, well that's a hoax. You know, let's let's talk about that, right? Why would someone you you have to think, why would someone put that energy into it?

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:10

Okay, let's I want to talk about the uh like the biggest thing in Bigfoot. Uh probably the Patterson Gimlin film. Uh yeah I said that right. But um yeah, this is what started it all basically. Uh and uh it doesn't look orange-ish, so maybe this is a different type of Bigfoot or maybe it's not. So what do you think this is from uh after seeing your own experience?

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:39

That is a that's a good question. There's oh man. What when was this? This was uh early 60s.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:50

I think it was 1967. It was nineteen sixty-seven, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:54

67 Bigfoot, you know, and there's always been legends up there, right? But it's always like, oh, Uncle Bob saw something. You know, you have the the film. Yeah, yeah. The question is, is like could it be someone in a suit? Okay, maybe, but then you read, you know, people that have actually looked at it, cleaned up the footage, and have said, like, there are details that for a suit at that time period, might not have been able to capture those details, right? And there's other people that say, Oh, I was the guy in the suit. You know. There's who is it? I think it's uh Gim uh Gimlin or Gimli, right? He stands by the fact that that actually happened. You know, it it Roger Patterson, I think Patterson died in the 70s. Uh he he died like a few years later, if I remember right. Yeah, that's he's he stood by it, you know, he stood by the fact that this actually happened. It's it's I want to believe that it is something. You know, however, I I at this point it's just it's you know, there's I don't think there's any way we'd ever know. You know, we have we have the modern technology. And and people said, like, you know, they've stabilized the film, and if you know the film is stabilized using modern cleaning up stuff, you know, technology for it, you'd have to think that they'd be able to see something. Right? Something that's not right with it, something that would show there's a guy with a suit. But my understanding from what I've heard is that no one really has. You know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:48

To me, I've always thought it does kind of look like uh actor in a suit-ish, you know, it always sort of looked like a little, especially for like when it comes to like animal behavior, you know, just uh I feel like you know, to just be walking and then just looking back like that seems pretty convenient. But I now looking at some of this stuff right here, like someone tried to recreate it, and you can tell, like, there's just a difference with the arms, you know? Like, look, someone like people have tried to recreate it in like like their own way, and just it doesn't seem to be the same. Like the arms are just really lanky.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:26

I really want to believe this one. Yeah, I don't know. Because that image that you that generated the face, like it just doesn't look like the one in the film. Because there it looks like there's an eye hole or something in the middle there, and it just it just doesn't look like it would fit it. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:42

So I want to believe it. I but it really is like super impressive, you know. If if it is an actor in a suit, it's it's super impressive and really well done, you know, for us to still be like debating whether it's real or not to this day. Um I uh I think I think you know a lot of evidence sort of points to it being uh like an actor in a suit, but like I feel like there's just still things that are like kind of odd about the bit of video, like like especially the length of the limbs and everything that still like sort of leave some questions where like you can't like a hundred percent like confirm it to be, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:31

There's and there's a lot of proportions with it. Sorry, yeah, the pro there's a lot of processes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:36

There's a proportion for it unhuman, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:41

I mean it's really hard to fake it back then, but you never know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:45

I I think they definitely could have gotten a costume back then. I my my big thing is the proportions. I'm not I mean, I feel like uh the costume for it was could have definitely been possible back in the day. I mean, I'm not sure if you heard of uh a show called Six Million Dollar Man. Yes. Yeah, you know you I've I mean you probably know the Bigfoot episode. Um I don't know the episode, but there's an episode where he basically he basically like fights Bigfoot or something. And you know, they they it took place, I think, at least like five, six, maybe like seven years after the Patterson Gimli film, but I don't think there was like should have been like enough like advancements in technology or like that could have made like you know like the one in the 1967 not possible, but the one in that million dollar man show possible, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:47

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's it's plus you gotta consider costume of that size, too, right? Like yeah, getting it up there, you know, yeah, they're on horseback, but still, you know, the logistics who knows, you know, I like like we were talking, I I wanna believe. I wanna believe, but I could I I really could go anyway.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:19

Yeah. I know other uh other like famous photos or videos of other mis like mysterious uh I guess cryptids have been proven fake within the past uh a few decades. Like I know the loch the famous like Lochness monster photo was like shown to be like actually just like a toy. Yes, and it was just like in the water or something. I think it was like the guy's grandson that exposed it or some sh something like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:49

Loch Ness that I used to love it. I used to love Loch Ness Monster. Um, but then like the you know, the more you think about it, you know, and again. Like the the hoax, things like that. You know, it's it's who knows if it's real or not, you know, that have people seen something? Sure, but you know, what are the chances of it being something, you know?

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:12

I feel like definitely it could be uh before our time, like a dinosaur. Probably something similar existed, definitely, for that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:22

I mean, that's something uh it sounds like with a lot of these cryptids, or at least like like a few of them, they s it sounds like it's almost sort of like some of them are like like prehistoric animals, or like like the di like the uh like the loctas watch is similar to like you know, uh I think it's called like the plesiosaur, like that dinosaur. And Bigfoot's sort of similar to like uh ancient kind of like primate called like a gigantipithecus, I believe. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:52

Well, I think uh that just about wraps it up. That was a lot uh to cover.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:57

But uh yeah, we're gonna send uh those photos that you got and everything. We'll put in the Discord server. I'll I'll I'll send you the invite there. But um yeah, if if you guys have any questions or whatever, maybe you have your own photos or experiences, please email us and uh or you could join the Discord. So we appreciate your time, Phil.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:21

And uh yeah, any uh last words here to note No, I appreciate you having me on. You know, and I think the final thing is that I would have to say is, you know, because everyone always talks about how there's uh you know, some people feel shame about telling their story. And I don't I don't think there's any shame in it in it, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:50

Definitely not.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:52

Um it's it's that's that's why you know my my thing is always if someone's has has an encounter or a story, tell it. You know, talk about it. You know, there's it's join the join the uh link of people who've been doing it for you know as long as human cultures existed. Yeah, it definitely thank you so much for having me. This was uh this is a pleasure, guys.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:24

Thank you, and until next time, folks, it's been a good one from the Sinister District and the Great Beyond. I wish you all a good night. See you next time. Say goodbye, curves.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:38

Goodbye.